Markelle Fultz has been playing pretty well this year and Lonzo has yet to find his stride in New Orleans.Is Fultz better than Lonzo now?
[–]Lakers euge_music 602 指標 12小時前
Yes right now hes playing way better
[–]Pacers F lowersInACup 268 指標 11小時前
And there is a difference between playing better now and being better. It’s too early to say Fultz is better, we don’t have the body of work for it to be proven.
[–][SAC] De’Aaron Fox Bagel_Technician 104 指標 10小時前
Yep both have really not played enough games
I think end of this season if both stay healthy will be the right time to evaluate them
[–]We_The_Raptors 14 指標 9小時前
Also reminds me of Fox last season. He’s got objectively better stats, but all 3 guys are like 20 years old. You gotta be arrogant af to pretend you can project which guy is gonna have the best career. Just look at some of the greatest point guards of all time. It takes guys like Stockton, Payton, Kidd, Nash and Curry years to reach the peaks we remember them for. Guys like Magic that put up numbers right away are the exception, not the rule.
[–]Kings coachadam 61 指標 9小時前
De’Aaron Fox has had a noticeably better nba career than either of these two. I’ll be the arrogant af one and say he’s the best of these 3 right now and has the most long term potential due to his athletic ability. Being voted the fastest player with the ball in the NBA by your peers tells you exactly how athletic he is. Ball and Fultz are barely NBA starters and Fox was dominant before the injury, honestly it’s not really a valid comp between those 3. Fox has a better record in every way over those 2.
[–]blckblt416 88 指標 10小時前
Well Ball has been playing for 3 years now and still doesn’t really look like an NBA player. You can say it’s too early but it doesn’t look like Lonzo ball is the answer to this question.
[–]Suns K ushOJ 100 指標 9小時前
Lonzo is a weird player man. His pros are really fucking good, but his cons are really fucking bad. He’s a great passer, and plays good defense. Then you see he’s a horrific shooter, from everywhere and horrible at finishing at the rim.
These career shooting splits are so pathetic: 38% FG, 32% 3PT, 46% FT, 46% TS. That has to be the worst of all time right?
[–]Bucks MWisBest 70 指標 8小時前
46% FT? Holy fuck. I knew he was a bad shooter but I didn’t realize it was that bad. This dude is a fucking professional athlete smh
[–]Nuggets TheThingsIdoatNight 38 指標 8小時前
Lol he knows it too, the dude is afraid of going to the line. He literally only took 48 FTs last year
[–][HOU] Yao Ming OldAccountHadRussH8 74 指標 7小時前
what a pussy harden took that many in one game
[–]Supersonics rjcarr 13 指標 6小時前
And would go 46/48.
[–][LAL] D’Angelo Russell JoshTheLakerFan 14 指標 7小時前
I honestly think that’s one of the reasons his FT% is so bad as well. He goes to the line once a game pretty much and goes 1/2 a lot.
[–]Mavericks Alex_Sander077 16 指標 7小時前
I always read the argument that he’s a great defender. That’s like the #1 thing everyone says about him. Well let me tell you something, we played against NOLA three times already, and didn’t see ANYTHING of that amazing defense y’all talking about. He was average to bad. Not to hate on the guy, just what I honestly saw in those games.
[–]Lakers Rocky2416 13 指標 5小時前
Haven’t seen him play this year but Lonzo did play really good defense for us last year. He struggled at a lot of things but defense wasn’t one of them.
[–][SAS] Tim Duncan Dsarg_92 8 指標 3小時前
Facts. I’ve always said he was a defensive anchor for you guys last season.
[–]King CW23 1615 指標 11小時前
I feel like Lonzo compares to Dante Exum. The potential is unreal but it’s not coming along fast enough and plagued with injuries. Both elite defenders and bad outside shooters but have crazy athleticism.
[–]Lakers CravingKoreanFood 27 指標 8小時前
idk about crazy athleticism and unreal potential. Sure their athletic and both have potential. Lets not act like they can be generational talents
[–]76ers bicyclingdonkey 84 指標 8小時前
bad outside shooters
Which is funny to me since one of his main skills in college was 3pt shooting! But it seemed inevitable it would be mad exposed with his stupid shot mechanics
[–]binhpac 20 指標 7小時前
There is a reason, some shooters are really good in college, but never succeeded in the NBA. (Yes, there are exceptions like JJ Reddick.)
Look for example how many scoring records Jimmy Fredette broke in college.
It’s a different ballgame in the NBA with much more athletism.
[–]BubbaTee 33 指標 6小時前
Jimmer could shoot in the NBA, he was a 40% 3pt shooter in his first 3 seasons. His problem was he couldn’t do anything else, especially defensively and being a PG. He only averaged 3.6 ast/36 minutes during that time, which shows what a black hole he was.
[–]Qing_James 69 指標 8小時前
Longer 3 pt line in NBA + faster lengthier defenders. A lot of the times in college they use the zone more so you get more clean look opportunities when they crowd the paint.
[–]whatweshouldcallyou 7 指標 7小時前
I like this comparison. Yeah there are some differences in their games but both are tall, athletic point guards whose injuries and lack of outside shooting have hampered their careers.
At this point it is hard to not see Lonzo has a career 10/7/6 guy, which is far from awful but not what people were expecting.
[–]mrkesh 8 指標 6小時前
Regardless of who’s better between Fultz and Lonzo I have to say I find it funny that Lonzo went from being the guy that would break Magic’s record to a Dante Exum-like player….
[–]Knicks BigDickNick97 6 指標 4小時前
I’m not trying to say lonzo is an all star, buts he not a Dante exum type player… lonzo is way better it’s not even close
[–]Bulls FIVE_DARRA_NO_HARRA 709 指標 10小時前
Exum is much quicker
[–]Jazz curryone 50 指標 9小時前
I think Lonzo’s handles are better though
[–]Trail Blazers kahyote484 833 指標 9小時前
Lonzo is a better passer and defender. Decent comp though.
[–]zxc123zxc123 255 指標 8小時前
While Lonzo being a better passer is true, but I feel Lonzo’s true strengths are his:
Natural and/or developed unselfish desire to pass and make teammates better (mostly done through his passing)
Natural + developed court-vision (which enhances his passing)
Ability to dictate pace (at least when it comes to pushing pace faster) via his own pacing, energy.
[–][PHI] Allen Iverson McFuckhead 119 指標 8小時前
"Natural and/or developed unselfish desire to pass"
This to me just is just because of his desire to not shoot the ball if its not a good look. He doesn’t ever want to take difficult shots, sometimes even missing out on easy shots to pass it to someone else. It’s quite baffling sometimes. Other times it looks good though.
[–]Jimmy___Gatz 98 指標 8小時前
It’s selfish not to shoot those open looks though.
[–]76ers 0ut0fBoundsException 15 指標 5小時前
Ben Simmons has left the chat
[–][NOP] Anthony Davis BeastaBubbles 89 指標 9小時前
As someone who has to watch Lonzo all the time now: yes. Absolutely.
[–]Pelicans Assclown4 5 指標 6小時前
Lonzo is ass. He and Gentry both need to go.
[–]Pelicans anon4953490 20 指標 8小時前
I think Zion and Favors (basically any great big not named Melli) really hide Lonzo’s weaknesses well on offense to make him thrive. Pretty sure we just gotta hold out and wait for the future because there’s obviously growing pains with every one of our talents right now (except BI).
[–][CLE] Mark Price WitOfTheIrish 7 指標 4小時前
And playing next to Jrue does the opposite and emphasizes his weaknesses. I think NOLA honestly needs to either cut their losses and trade Lonzo, or sell high while Jrue is at his max value right now (before Zion comes back and takes a big chunk of touches).
They simply aren’t a backcourt that works.
[–]IDoesThis1 9 指標 12小時前
He might be. They both can’t shoot so that cancels out and fultz is way more athletic and aggressive
[–]Bulls FIVE_DARRA_NO_HARRA 56 指標 10小時前
Markell is 47% from the floor and 79% from the line. Lonzo is 37% from the floor and 63% from the line. Absolutely doesn’t cancel out imo
[–][PHI] Julius Erving Bajecco 20 指標 9小時前
Lonzo is 29% on jump shots in 142 attempts. Fultz is 36% in 128 attempts. Both garbage jump shooters but yeah Fultz has been better especially considering he get’s to the rim way more.
[–]Celtics Swarthykins 217 指標 11小時前
Damn, I try not to pile too hard on Lonzo, but how do you shoot 37% from the field?
[–]hubau 22 指標 7小時前
And a lot of them are open looks. Defenses sag way off him. You can’t have your point guard kill your spacing in 2019.
[–]Lakers KyleVikings 4 指標 5小時前
He is probably the worst player in the paint i’ve ever seen on the Lakers. He can’t make a contested layup.
[–]Lakers Vans126 4 指標 5小時前
as someone who had to watch lonzo all the time: dude has ‘potential’ right? people waste so much time about this guy and god this dude is really a below avg player (he has his share of nice plays but they are rare). maybe he’ll pull a jaylen brown someday but he hasnt shown any progress in so long so can we stop talking about him for now?
[–]Hawks Maczuna 107 指標 9小時前
how can people watch lonzo and be like "hIs PoTeNtIaL tHo"
like honestly his game is ugly.
[–]Raptors GoldenBunion 66 指標 8小時前
I’m seeing actual regression. Like his defence and passing were sharper before the trade. Had awful shooting. Now the two bright sides look poor
[–]Jimmy___Gatz 29 指標 8小時前
I just don’t think his passing was ever that good, he was good in transition but he never could run halfcourt offense…
[–]Lakers misterrunon 10 指標 7小時前
It’s true, he’s just a mediocre passer (especially in the half court). He has some highlight passes, mainly the full-court ones.. and then he gets a reputation for being a good passer.
[–]Heat mostlylurkingg 6 指標 6小時前
Well, well, well….how the turntables
[–]Mavericks cannotthinkofarandom 17 指標 8小時前
Lonzo is not good, so I’ll go with yes. I’ll be surprised if Ball is ever even an average level starter. Yes hes good on D but he’s awful on offense.
Fultz is improving, I think his ceiling his higher and yes as of right now I’d take him over Ball.
[–]Pistons drcash360-2ndaccount 5 指標 6小時前
I would say so. They’re both good defensively and are both good playmakers, but Fultz can actually do things offensively other than spot up shoot below average
[–][TOR] Pascal Siakam s picyphotsauce 41 指標 12小時前*
I’m still taking Zo. They’re both sub par scorers, with Lonzo being horrendous while Fultz is just normal bad. But Lonzo edges out Fultz in playmaking, rebounding as well as defence. I’d take that over a small advantage in scoring. That being said I wouldn’t want either of them to be my starting PG of the future.
[–][GSW] Kevin Durant AsnSensation 42 指標 11小時前
The only ‚playmaking‘ he’s better at are outlet passes
[–]Magic Byrie_Swirving 95 指標 12小時前
Lonzo edges him in playmaking? Lonzo has an awful handle and can’t create anything in the half court. He can’t get to the rim, he can’t run a pick n roll. They are both dyanamic transition players Lonzo looks to pass in transition while Fultz is more of a finisher. Lonzos defense has also slipped a lot according to pels fans while Fultz has been quite good this season.
[–]Raptors IndigoRivers 33 指標 12小時前
I’m a huge Lonzo supporter to the point that guys target me for it. Fultz is better right now. He also is a more practical playmaker right now. He can actually run a NBA offense while it looks tough for lonzo at times. I’d argue their defense is the same if not fultz being better.